http://www.tinkersgardens.com/default.asp Tinkers Gardens Forum en-us Copyright 2004-2009Tinkers Gardens Forum - All Rights Reserved. 11/20/2009 4:20:42 PM 20 http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453Oh good grief, Maurice! And here I am shoveling Starbucks into my diploid planting holes! There's more coffee houses in the City than there are horses! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453Sorry Ella, John is right - grafting a diploid and tetraploid together will not affect the genetics of either plant. If you are trying to convert the diploid into a tetraploid and do not want to use dangerous chemicals why not try caffeine? Caffeine does not work the same way as colchicine in doubling chromosomes but it has been used successfully a couple of times. This paper used a caffeine soakon wheat: Genome Volume 40, Issue 4, 1997, Pages 552-558"Chromosome doubling of haploids of common wheat with caffeine" Thomas, J., Chen, Q., Howes, N. This one had caffeine in the tissue culture medium: "Chromosome numbers of Saintpaulia ionantha plantlets regenerated from leaves cultured in vitro with caffeine and colchicine." F. J. Espino and A. M. Vazquez Euphytica 30 (1981) 847-853 This one injected caffeine into the flower buds todouble the chromosomes in the gametes Korean J. Genetics 27 (3) : 219-226 (September 2005) "Meiotic Polyploidization with Homoeologous Recombination Induced by Caffeine Treatment in Interspecific Lily Hybrids" Kim-Byung Lim , Rodrigo Barba-Gonzalez, Shujun Zhou , MS. Ramanna and Jaap M. van Tuyl All three successfully doubled chromosomes with caffeine. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453While we are on the subject of 'Conversions' anyone know where one can purchase the chemicals to do their own conversions? Ron http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453Ella, When you graft a Japanese Maple to another Maple the bottom part is still the other maple. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13384Beautiful baby Judy Ann. And I'll work on my homework this weekend. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13384First freeze has come and gone, with little effect on this one. But my question is answered. I was completely wrong. This baby is pumping out two new fans, not one and a scape. Boy is it energetic! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453LOL! My brother has a whole orchard of grafted trees. Some people just have to put things together to see what happens. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12420Ella, I don't imagine you remember my crying over hot manure. My brother-in-law asked if I wanted a load of composted manure and of course I did. He used some farm equipment and scooted it over to the fence row, and it was piled about 3' deep all along the fence, and had been collectingthere a long time, well composted. When my son came with it, he didn't think to tell me, and I didn't think to ask, because we had talked about the manure along the fence, "composted manure!" Well, it was stall cleanings, and it killed years of work for me, beautiful things I had ready to register. So always ask when it comes to you. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12420Guilt.. When ya get the result s back, pleas e post them, would be interestign to see what they say. traded soem fencing to my neighbor for soem cow manure and he brought me several loads. Sure looks like a lot when it in theback of a trailer and ya have to unshovel it, but when ya start spreadign it, it sure don't go far. Learned ther e a big differenc e between the manure that sits outsid e and the barn manure though. he brought a coupel load s of that hoem for hismelf to fill thes e huge bed s he built. It even looked loads differnt than the outside manure and man oh man it burne d and killed all his seedling s that he put in it. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ya think so John? Ya don't think that the buds would convert with being feed form the tet root stock? I know that with grafting of Japanes e Maple s and fruit s on to othe r root stock that thescions would grow outif the grafts take, but therewhile your using different cultivars your not dealing with completely different ways like having dips and tets. JudyAnn.. If I was a surgeon my patients would probably all die. I woudl get in their and say oh whats that and what can w e do here and what happens if I try this. And if I wa s brain surgeon, the poor patient, cuz I'd probably be oh let me see what happens when we wir e this nerve up to that one. I'd be making alot of oppsie s for sure. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12420Ella, I think if it has been sitting for two years, it should be ready to plant! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12420I use loads of Horse Poo, a neighbor has 500 lbs a day from his horses, Oh! Yea! , He spreads it 8" to 10" deepunder some oak trees on the north end of his property , I been getting the Poo that's about 8-10 months old , I use my old concrete mixer (contractor here) as a tumbler, myraised bed mixture isusing a five Gallon bucket, 1 peat moss, 1 perlite, 1 vermiculite and 15 buckets of Poo (oak leaves/poo/bedding), I'm also throwing a 12oz. coffee can 888 fertilizer in the mix, this size mix is one 10 cubic foot wheel barrow (the big blue one) full, I am sending off a soil sample to test the mix and will post the results soon , Later Guilt Trip http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453Ella, you should have been a surgeon! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13452Ken, the club website is really really nice. And the still amazing seedlings that folks are creating is such a treat to see. One of Leon's looks a lot like Z's little cutie. It's nice to see forum member Ed's work too. I haven't had time to look at all of them yet, but wanted to thank you for posting this for all to see. I miss Ed. It seems like this has been the year forour ladies to have serious health issues, and recover, thankfully! Becky is writing poetry and doing book signings now! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453If it works at all you'll have a dip on top of a tet. The flowers will still be diploid. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13452nice! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13453Ya knwo me and how I always thinkign out side the box. Well I trie d on and off a coupel of time s this year to try and do some grafting of a dip to a tet, to see what I might get. My eye s and cordination which has nevr been great, so I really didn't want to play with some chemicals. Woudl go to bed and have dreams of waking up with a hand that wouldnt stop growing or something. I been taking crowns and cuttign them in half and been wrappign as tight a s I could and keepign litlte bit s of roots and then just barely puttignin soil and tryign to keep the whoel main part of the crowns above ground. The grafts would seem to be takign at first but after a coupel of weeks woudl turn mushy on me and start rotting andin to the trash they would go. I have thought abotu using that like white parafin wax ya us e to seal jams and jellies, but can't figure out how I could dip the whoel thing without getting wax down in the seal. The other ide a I had and nto sure it would work or not is instead of cuttign and tryign to graft two sections togethe r is to try and see if maybe somehow couldn't do just a restign bud graft. Ha d thought maybe if I coudl just extract some of the restign buds from off a dip and try doing a "t" slit graft on the top of the tet. Tought maybe if I could just od the resting buds and than criss cross around the rubber bands that maybe it might hold in place. I don't knwo if the restign bud s can survive being scooped out by themelves , or if i woudl still have to have a good section of the crown?Thought maybe that by just using the resting bud s that , if they took, smalle r wound s to heal, that the tet mightthan comepletley take over and send enough gentics through the growing of the buds to convert them. I know chems have been used successfulyl and it nto an easy process and may or may not take, that is why I wa s wondering if just using the bud s might work and might be more sucessful? Just don't know an http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13447Thanlks for all the information. By the time Id a got done here they totalyl went udner water. Waite d til it receded and then the spray off and starte d tryign to scoop stuff back together. JudyAnn. Ha d flip flops on. Was only thing I ha d othe r than my oen pair of sneakers and high heels. Although maybe I shoudl have worn the high heels. I don't own a pair of rubber boots. Neve r really needed them before. With everythign up on pallet sint he air , usually don't have a need to go out when it raining, but gues s maybe i need to see if I cna find some. When ya a s droughty a s we normally are boot s isn't somethign ya normally need. When ya see yoru seedlings going under, it was run and see what cna do. Thought mayeb I could take a pick ax and dig a gully to try and diverte some of the water. Fett, and flipflops all got a hot soap and , bleach bath when I came in. I definatey gott a do somethign different cuz now it gonan be even worse. Down the corner from me and we get water from that end of road that coem s down here, had all the pine s and almost all the trees remove d from their plac e . Wouldn't have been quite so bad, but the next three neighbor s headign down this waywent and had ther e areas done too now there nothing for acreas and acreas to hold water back. PhotoJk. Well, I did what ya suggested put a stake to mark the wate r level , wil be spring befor e I can probably get otu ther e and try and rebuild. Do ya know how high up nee d to make the beds now from wher e the wate r ros e too? Judy.. Surprise d you didn't get any of the rain, sicne it came from yoru way this way. Usually it goe s around here, but not this time. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450Ken... Sorry ya had such a bad year, but glad ya haven't given up. Mother Nature doesn't always like to do what we would like her to do, but you got some beautiful bed s and area and beautiful seedlings. This just been a minor set back. Gla d your wife's surgery went so well. I sur e she so gla d to to be able to move and to be out of such pain. I know abotu draggign hoses. Drag her e, drag there, and they always manage to get a crink somewher e or caught on something. Heck by the time ya get done dragging them, ya about too tuckere d out to water. Your scooter is just adorable. I have have never seen or heard of them before. I used to crawl aroudnon hand and knees to weed, but old back won't go fo rthat any more so it sit on milk crates. One of the small gas/convient stores let s ya take th emilk cratesif they sittign outside if the milk man don't pick themup. They get tire d of them sittign there. Lookign at yoru scooter make s me wonder if I couldn't put some wheels somehow on my milkcrate. Would be so much easier to scoot around on instea d of havign to get up pick up crate and mov e it each time. With all this extra rain we getting so late and hopefulyl you getting some of it too, you should maybe have some really beautiful blooms for next year. How tall is yoru deer fence? Now that a coupel have foudn out their food back down this way, it hard to keep them out. I knwo they jump my 6 foot chain link. Yours looks like it might work to trick them. Don't giv e up cuz sure do look forward to seeing your new seedlings every year. : ) http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13452Ken, Thanks for posting this. Looks like the Payne's have made a lot of progress toward an all blue daylily. I really liked a lot of their seedlings. Ron http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13452Each November, our Club program is an opportunity for member hybridizers to present their latest creations. If you are need of a daylily 'fix', take a look at these. Lone Star Daylily Society Hybridizers Showcase http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13451Chris, I agree. I also like bronze and green mums included. If you look at the top middle of the arrangements you can see the green ones. When they first opened they were really green, with time they have faded to yellow-greenish. Ron http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13451Ron, My mom wouldn't have liked the white one is there either. She'd like the new arrangement which she would say are "fall colors". She doesn't like pink or purple mums. Anything mums that are orange, yellow or red are fine for fall. LOL http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13451Looks like a florist arranged it Ron! How pretty! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13451 I Decided I did not like the white in it so I reworked the arrangment. I like it much better. Ron http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13451Oh that's pretty. This morning I saw a home with yellow mums planted along one whole side. The owner might be older now, because they were very talland leggy, which let them trail widely also. It was not the normal sight when one sees mums, but I have to confess that it was the prettiest mum garden I've ever seen, and so I wonder why do we trim them repeatedly to make a cushion of them? They are a beautiful sight when let alone too. Those are really pretty Ron. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13451 Yesterday was a wonderful day. Temp was in the mid to upper 60's with slight wind. While I was out looking at my garden I decided to cut some of my mums and bring them in the house to enjoy. I though you might enjoy them also. Ron http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450wow--they are making these scooters in a range of colors. mine is bright orange--kind of kubota tractor orange. i take a bungee cord and hook around a 5 gal bucket that i set on top of the little mesh basket. i can weed a whole 50' row that way (or even more, depending) before i have to empty it. running the pipe can be a pain--rob just buried hoses--only about 6" deep--they seem to winter fine. you could probably rent a ditcher for 1/2 a day if you wanted to go that route. or evenjust use something like a mantis to run yourself a shallow set of trenches. i would think a furrow attachment would do the job. you do loose some pressure if you have to go really far--i have to be careful not to try to run too many impulse sprinklers at once. but you can run all the soaker hoses you want, or several spray heads at once. the main reason i like it is now i have a system that has no connection to our household water anymore--and no extra wear and tear on our pump. chris http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450Ken, I'm totally jealous! Mine pre-dates the wagon steering handle, and I couldn't for the life of me imagine why they made it without one. It was just a couple years after I got mine that they began to build them with the capacity to steer/pull. BUT, mine is fire-engine red! So there! You're going to lose yours in the clumps someday! That fence looks awesome. Very unobtrusive. And the garden really looks great, Ken! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450Hey, folks, I really appreciate you'all putting up with an old mans ranting. I'd like to think it's a mid-life crisis, but believe I've probably passed the half way point. Ron, looking back at those '08 seedlings was part of the problem. Just so disappointed at this years lack of bloom. But, there's some really interesting crosses out there, so I'm looking forward to spring. Heck, they got an extra season in the baby garden to mature before they show their stuff. JudyD, I get that 'nuh-uh' feeling a lot more often now. But I'm getting used to it. Swallowing my stupid pride, and asking for help when I need it. JudyAnn, love my milk crate seat. Actually, I have two. One is square and I use it for small areas. The other is a little larger rectangle, and I slide it along and put pulled weeds in it. Chris, I've toyed with the idea of putting in an irrigation well. We're on a high point, but have found water as shallow as 12 feet. Don't know how reliable that would be. Biggest drawback would be running/re-running all the piping, since our gardens are fairly far apart on this 5 acre patch, and sure wouldn't want to get mixed in with the regular water system (it's at 300ft, and good water). Glad to hear Double Down is performing for you. I think it's more of a bud builder than instant rebloomer, at least from what we see here. It started in late March this year, and there were blooms in the group until mid-October. It's multiplying like crazy. We lined out double fans last fall, and each one is now a little clump of 4-6. And still no rust! Took some pictures today to share. This is the main garden, walkways mowed, beds mulched: <br> Deer Fence - This stuff is great. It's a tough polyethylene mesh that is virtually invisible from a distance (except for the posts). I think part of the reason it's so effective is that the deer can't really see the t http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7742There are some that are resistant but it's a question of identifying them. You can see a list of results from an ongoing online survey here: rust survey Click on "View Survey Results". You'll see, though, that different people have given different ratings for the same cultivar. This is always going to happen because environment is a primary factor in disease development and severity. It is safer to avoid those that appear to be susceptible than to assume resistance in those with a few good reports, you'd need for many perfect score reports for a particular cultivar to have much confidence in its resistance. Sue http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7742It has been almost 10 years since we saw the first signs of rust in the USA. Are their rust resistance daylily available yet? Where? Maurice talks about rating daylilies on a 10 point scale for rust. Is their a list of the ones that scored 9 or above? Where? Is anyone here working on developing rust resistance daylilies? Is their any interest here on working as a team to develop rust resistance daylilies? I look forward to your coments. Ron from the rust belt in Alabama http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13365hey jim--nice crosses! i see you did a lot with MAD JACKY--i know paul used it a lot too. i never made it to his house when it was blooming--must make a note and be sure to get over there next summer. i esp. like that you crossed it with ELI--that should be a terrific cross. and i have seen some beautiful clear colors from CLARIFICATION at paul's house, so those crosses should be good in that respect. now the fun begins for you--as you start creating your very own gene pool. the evolution is constant and always interesting. and i very much understand your shepherd analogy. there is something very profound that happens to us as we work among these flowers. we are all very lucky to experience it. and you have caused a response in other people too, with your wildflower beds. gardens are magic, healing places. i believe in that more strongly each year. brian mahieu and i have talked before about the "companionable silence" of plants. i think the world would be a much better place if more people understood what that was. you articulated it beautifully. chris http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450hey ken--glad you made it through. just look at it as a time when you were forced to re-evaluate, rethink and regroup. i bought one of those wheeled weeding-mobiles and it has saved my back as well! (if anyone is on the hunt for one, a.m. leonard has a nice one) so happy that your wife's hip surgery went well. she probably feels light years better in so many ways. how hard would it be for you to drive a new 2" irrigation well? you can rent a hand held auger type well driver--might have to hire a couple burly guys to man it for you--although my dad and a friend did it by themselves when my dad was in his late 60's. we have high water tables here and fairly easy soil, and that might not be true where you are. but it is not that difficult to hand drive a shallow irrigation well. our irrigation well was hand driven by rob with a sledgehammer, but he only had to go about 18' deep to hit water. he drove one more section into the aquifer, so its about 24' deep altogether. we just put a shallow well jet pump on it that we remove each year before winter and re-install in spring. not that hard. if you can manage to do something like that, it will help you so much. your little double beauty put up a forest of scapes this year. didn't rebloom, but the flush of bloom was the earliest of anything and lasted a very long time. i almost wonder if it did instant rebloom and i just interpreted it as a single very long lasting period. chris http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9077This is old news but I thought I would add it here anyway. The turquoise seedling was eventually named Pigment of Imagination and the yellow beauty became Ashwood Wray of Sunshine...named after Marty Wray. The poly was named Hip to Be Square. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6975I, too, have had wonderful experiences with Richard's plants. Joan Hood, Flight of the Raven, Regal Shield, Belle of Ashwood, and Pigment of Imagination are my five favorites. I also have Coral Majority, Ashwood Hearth Side, Ashwood Still Night, No Blue Oxfords, Ashwood Dark Side, Clarification, and Ashwood Blue Highway. This was their second year in my garden and they put on quite a show. They also gave me a lot of seeds in my tet crosses...and the size of the seeds is amazing. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13365 Seed harvest has wrapped up. Here were the crosses that made it. Hope this isn't too much information. I copied and pasted from a spreadsheet that I kept to record crosses and results. The unknown Richard Norris X unknown Richard Norris came when I was in Texas. My wife was harvesting pods for me and the wind flipped over the tray. She called crying and I thought sure she had wrecked her car. Was relieved to hear it was nothing serious. A couple of the crosses involve seedlings with pet garden names such as PT101 or Just a Thiery. Made a lot of Norris, Reed, Murphy, and Payne crosses. Look at how great Mad Jacky did as a pod and pollen parent. Lone Star Sweetheart was a new plant this year and I thought it also was a great pollen plant.Pod Parent Pollen Parent # of Seeds Ploidy Ashwood Blue Highway Clarification 10 TetAshwood Blue Highway Clarification 11 TetAshwood Blue Highway Ruby Spider 4 Tet Ashwood Dark Side Belle of Ashwood 11 TetAshwood Dark Side Belle of Ashwood 10 TetAshwood Dark Side Joan Hood 14 TetAshwood Dark Side Regal Shield 6 Tet Ashwood Still Night Belle of Ashwood 10 TetAshwood Still Night Lone Star Sweetheart 19 TetAshwood Still Night Lone Star Sweetheart 24 TetAshwood Still Night Lone Star Sweetheart 18 TetAshwood Still Night Regal Shield 6 Tet Ashwood Hearth Side Lone Star Sweetheart 6 Tet Awakening Dream Naboth's Vineyard 12 Tet Bat Signal Karen's Curls 10 DipBat Signal PT110 4 Dip Belle of Ashwood Joan Hood 8 TetBelle of Ashwood Joan Hood 21 TetBelle of Ashwood Joan Hood 43 TetBelle of Ashwood Lone Star Sweetheart 11 TetBelle of Ashwood Lone Star Sweetheart 21 TetBelle of Ashwood Red Volunteer 6 Tet Biting Sarcasm Brown Witch 19 DipBiting Sarcasm Brown Witch 31 DipBiting Sarcasm Chesapeake Crablegs 4 DipBiting Sarcasm Chesapeake Crablegs 4 DipBiting Sarcasm Free Radical 4 DipBiting Sarcasm Mad Jacky 6 DipBiting Sarcasm Mad Jacky 16 DipBiting Sarcasm Origin Stories 17 DipBiting Sarcasm Unknown 23 Dip Black http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450I truly can empathize, Ken. I can do much less than I did last year, let alone 10 years ago! Aging is a thief! The mind tells you that you can do what you did when you were 25, but the body tells you, nuh-uh! I always have great intentions. Over my morning coffee I planmy day...but after a few hours of actually implementing my plans, I realize that I can't accomplish what I need to. My body will just not co-operate. I finally realized this year, that Iwill have to hirehelp in the garden. Mothernaturenearly beat me into submission, too. I commend you and your wife...because unlike me, you two havn't given up. I am glad you have "kept the daylily faith" and that you do look forward to your next season. It would be a great loss in many ways for you to stop now. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13445Why is three feet tall a fault? Some people are looking for taller plants, at least unless the flowers are too small in comparison. Depending on what you are looking for, I would use either a very round flower or a spidery one (expecially for the second because it already has a slightly open form). http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450Ken, first of all I really can sympathize with drought conditions as I had five years of drought here. And the physical limitations too. I used one of the tractor seats when I decided getting back into the garden could be handled as a great replacement for the physical therapy which I was trapped into. Believe me, I'd rather be in the garden any day than lying on the floor counting to 20 sixty times a day. The good news is that after using the tractor seat for a couple years, I no longer have to use it. Yes, its still here waiting for me if I ever need it again, but meanwhile I found one of those heavy dutysquare plastic milk-bottle holders that says "Wendys" on the side of it and it and I love it for ease of handling and as a substitute for the tractor seat, especially for weeding in tight spaces. I see them stacked outside of restaurants every once in awhile and wonder if I should ask to pick up a spare sometime before they become obsolete. I have no idea where this one came from, but there used to be a Wendy's not far from here, so it probably sprouted legs and walked up the hill, only to become one of my foundtreasures as the neighborhood disappeared. Katy's recovery is just wonderful! Oneof our club members has gardened successfully after a hip replacement, so I'm sure Katy will to. You've got to have your dear wife in the garden with you! But those deer! Good grief but I'm so glad our fence keeps the deer out here. We never had them until the corporation cleared away the neighborhood. I'm sure the day will come when I look out and see the front display bed trampled. Tell Katy we're really happy about her recovery. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450Ken, Sounds like things are getting better for you. Glad to hear you did not give up.I would encourage you to go back and look at the great seedling you posted on your site in 2008. Looking at them sure makes me feel better. Ron http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13450At least, I gave it some real thought. This was beyond a doubt the worst daylily season we have ever had. It started out dry, with short scapes and low bud counts. The well won't handle more than one sprinkler at a time, so it was a constant rotation from one garden to the next, then do it all over again. Deer invaded the seedling garden, the evaluation garden, and the hybridizing garden. Not unlike locking the barn after the horse is stolen, we put up more deer proof fencing to save the plants. Katy's hip problem severely limited her time in the gardens, and the long stretches of 100+ temp/heat index days finally convinced me that I can no longer do at 69 what I could at 49 or 59. The grass and weeds were crowding out the daylilies, and we just couldn't keep up. I seriously thought of just giving up, spraying round up, and tilling everything under. Well, Katy had her hip replacement (the surgeon looked at her x-rays and had her scheduled within 2 weeks), and has made a remarkable recovery. I found a little garden scooter (tractor seat on four wheels), and started serously weeding again. The deer fence is keeping the critters out. Late season rains gave us the best re=bloom we've ever had. All the beds are reasonably weed free and mulched. We'll just have to write last season off as, if not a loss, a disappointment. And look forward to next year!! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13384Thanks luv. Yes, this one is glowing in the moonlight! Maybe that will be the name of one of its kids! I'm so excited about getting seed already! Anyone have an idea on differentiating between new scapes and new fans when they are less than 2"? We have first freeze scheduled for Monday-Tuesday according to forecast, so maybe it will nip the scape for me. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13446You really got some nice variety in your seedlings, Susie. I happen to like tall scapes too, but I am starting to appreciate the ones that bloom at the top of the foliage too, especially for "public" gardens, because they do appear more tidy when left "unkept". http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13384Judy Ann!!!!! I absolutely love this baby and the name. I often plant white flowers in the bed alongside my front sidewalk for the beautiful glow they give as it gets dark.This would give that same effect. Congrats! I also appreciate your observations about its durability after rain. I've begun to really appreciate this quality--nothing more disappointing than to see flowers ruined after even a small rain. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13447Arghgh!! Ida's headed this way!! Don't fret too much about yourdaylilies,Ella.When we had hurricane flooding, my daylilies were underwater for at least 12 hours and it was salty. I don't think I lost any, but the mess from the mulch and leaves andsticks that floated up was a pain to clean up. Further down the road, a fellow daylily lover had to dig hers out from under a couple of feet of marsh grass and they were fine. That's one of the reasons I love these tough plants so much! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13446Thanks all :-) http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13447Ella, I am sorry to hear you had this trouble. I can tell you that your daylilies will be fine if the water is only from heavy rain runoff. Do gently wash the mud off the leaves and make sure the roots are still in the ground and they will be okay. I think the most danger they could be in at this time would be having their roots exposed to prolonged sunshine. You might get a little scalding going on if they lay exposed to the full sun for any lengthy period of time. Even if you can just take a little mud and temporarily cover the roots until the soil dries out enough to replant them, they will be fine. We were forecast to get gusts to 45 mph and 6 inches of rain,because we were on Ida's west side. We got the wind, and not a drop of rain! Amazing! Good luck to you! http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13447Ella, are you out there barefoot with all the manure and dog poo run off from the neighbors? I think some rubber wader boots would be better for your health. The daylilies should be fine I think. Let us know how it turns out. I agree with James that this is the time to mark the floodpath and make plans to compensate. When we addressed similar problems here, it led to a wonderful terrace landscaped back yard. I had a young teenage soon who wanted to put his muscles to it, thank goodness! He did a good job and all his work is still here 20 years later. http://forums.tinkersgardens.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13447You have my sympathies. Flood water can be so discouraging. My only recommendation would be to try and accurately mark the high water level on something permanent so that you can use that in future garden decisions and construction/design. My best suggestion would be to hose off the mud when it has receded and make sure that the daylilies don't have exposed roots.