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Pony Benefactor


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I on a major .. major war path with one mole. it ha s ate the tubers of 50 Dahlia plants duyring the spring and summer and I just put several hudred Daylily seedlings in the ground so that maybe they would start to increase better and mulche d it allup and now the darn mole is systematically going down the rows and eating my Daylilie s root s off.
I going otu ther e and finding the top of the fans laying on their sides and for some even that ha s disappeared.
I have trie d soap, bubblegum,, hair and even tried tearing up the tunnels and blcoking what I can and so far nothign has worked.
I ha d this idea, but not sure i it would work or not . I have no idea how far down mole s wil tunnel but I wondere d if maybe if I dug a trench all aroudn the beds and put some very fine holed chichen wire or somethign clos e to it maybe abotu a foot down, if that would be enough to keep the nasty little critter from eating em all before they even have a hcance to grow for spring.
Even the neighbors cats aint been able to capture it. A friend had suggeste d takign a board and puttign nails through it and then goign aroudn stabbing through all the trails, but the way my luck goes I liable to nail my foot and think tetnaus is out of date, plus I still wouldprobably miss the darn thing as Ican't see wher e the paths go up the hill just cna see them in the driveway it crossed and the beds.
I hoping somebody has some ideas that might work. I sure don't want to have to try and dig them fans all back up and report them again. They was lookign real happy to be in soem real dirt for a change.
__________________ Ella
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massachusettsma Benefactor

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Pony,
Have you tried a product such as Mole-Go-Mole. It's 100% castor oil, applied by hose end application. The cost is around $17.00 and covers approx. 10,000 sq. feet. The product can be applied spring, mid summer or fall and has proven to be very successful.
If you don't try to correct the problem, I fear that your daylilies will be in jeopardy and you will lose them. The year were without a patrol police cat we had severe damage and we lost over 25 plants; doesn't seem like much but if you only have a couple 100, it is. We used the product with success and hoped a cat would adopt us.
The following year, we were fortunate a cat did adopt us.....Elvis is his name. He works the yard and does a very good job. But, we'er always on the lookout for those pests. If your neighbors felines can't control the problem, you probably need to use a product.
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alron2 Senior Member

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When I was a kid we had moles. My dad used a spear type trap as shown in the link below:
http://www.thefind.com/garden/info-mole-trap
If I had them I would try putting rat poision in the tunnel first. This is probable too cruel for most people here, but when an animial destroys my garden or home I have no pity on them.
Ron
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Ella, are you sure it's a mole, and not a vole?
I've always been under the impression that voles are the critters that will eat bulbs, roots, tubers, etc., while moles are mainly carnivores. I think I read that a mole may, on occasion, take a bite or two out of roots when their regular pickins' are slim, but their preferred diet is earthworms, grubs, mole crickets, etc. Voles on the other hand can quickly destroy the root systems of plants.
Castor oil...that would make anything run away screaming! LOL But I have heard that it works for moles!
Or you might try planting castor beans. It is said the plants keep moles away. They make gorgeous tropical-looking plants, but the "beans" are very poisonous. If you have small children that visit your yard or pets/animals that might eat the "beans", don't go that route. I have a 3 year-old gandson, so I don't grow castor plants at this time.
Whatever it is, I'm sorry you are having this trouble. I don't have either one of those critters here. There is the occasional armadillo uprooting, though.
Good luck with getting rid of your critter!
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Rebecca Benefactor


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Ella,
think you have voles and they may be using the mole's tunnel system. There were voles here when I first moved here nearly 20 years ago, but Baby took care of them in very short order - and she brought in quite a few of them too! They eat roots, corms, tubers, bulbs. Dedicated vegetarians they are. Moles on the other had are carnivores and will make short order of any worms, grubs or other burrowing insects. No moles here as I have a healthy number of earthworms. I also have a small pride of felines whose mere presence keeps these rodents out of my yard and away from my plants over in my neighbor's garden where I have a couple hundred plants.
Voles aren't very big, but they are murderous! Poisons do the best job on them, but the drawback is that these poisons have a half life in the tissues of the voles and any animal that might eat them can also be poisoned and killed.
The Mole-Go-Mole is probably going to be your best bet this time of the year and then plant a few Castor Beans in strategic areas of the garden come spring. Oh and get a good mouser, and it doesn't have to be a cat, as some of the terrier breeds are wonderful mousers! (Jack Russel Terriers come immediately to mind.)
Raised beds might discourage these varmints, especially if you can "plant" the board edging deep enough (RR ties would be good since they have been treated with creosote). Be a lot of really hard work putting them in the ground, but you might not have to bury them, just sink them, say half way. Just thinking out loud on that idea as first you have to find the RR ties and get them to your place!
Rebecca
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Quit killing the rattlesnakes!
How you doing Ella! Nice to see you around again........
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Rebecca Benefactor


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I would not encourage a rattler, but I would encourage a Black Snake to come for a visit, they are great mousers! And non-venomous!
Rebecca
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Hi Pony, Nice to hear from you again. If your varmints eat plants they are voles. I use Mole B Gone each spring in each tunnel I find. This is a poisoned grain mix that is very effective. In fact, for the past two years, I don't have voles!
I too, hate to use poison, but these varmints are worse than our northern deer, for destroying daylilies.
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Elaine Benefactor


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If you want a non-toxic vole bait and can figure out a way to keep it dry in the garden, consider putting out instant mashed potatoes. The idea is that the rodent eats it and then goes looking for water.
I haven't tried it enough to be sure how well it works, but it does make sense.
Elaine
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alron2 Senior Member

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Elaine,
It would be my luck that the vole would eat them and then go find water and return with all his brothers ready for a feast. 
Ron
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Do you know what happens when you add water to dry instant potatoes?
If it happens inside a vole, it won't be pretty for the rodent.
Elaine
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I heard you can do that with grits too.
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Hi all!!!!!!
Thanks for all the suggestions. My son ships out for Irag on the 11 th and took a quickie leave from texas and drov e like a maniac to get his truck and his stuf f hoem and store d at his dad's hous e while he gone again. Probably be anothe r two years or clos e to it befor e he gets back.
Time wa s short and preciosu with him so haven't bene on pute r much and then ha d to wait for phoen call that he got back to bas e safely. Her e he is leaving at bustop Saturday.

seems just liek yesterday that he was with us at Tinkerfest and pickign out his Daylilies. Boy the time keeps goign by too fast. He did look aroudn when he was here makign sure I still had his Daylilies. LOL Cours e it mom who ha s ha d ot keep them growing and watere d all this time.
yep ya right got vole out there. Seen the darn thign runign for shelte r when I moved a pallet. grrrrrrrrrr.
Wow. them some wicke d looking traps, but like ya say when it affects the gardens and yoru plants big time then squimish or not have to do somethign about it.
Got a pair of chimpmunks havign field day in strawberry patch and bird s are eatign what seed s I put out a s fast a s I cn aget them into the ground. Don't mind sharing with critters, but when they take to much they gotta go.
Now I haven't heard abotu mashe d potaoes. Got some here so wil try that first. I us e grit s on ants. Just go tthe ant beds out of the Daylilie s with that.
LOL. John.. Sorry rattler s no cna stay. Now if could get fiend David to brign his snake s and put little leashe s on them and guareentee me that none would get away, then might le t them try and get it.
My blackracer is almost 6 foot now and he wa s out in that are a the othe r day, then he cruise d on across the street so figur e he is heading for his winte r home. Would be nic e if he coudl get it though. Whew he cna giv e me the shake s and willie s when he aroudn and I don't see him til I on him. I just say nice snakey.. snake and back away as fast as my feet will go. Cours e my feet movign faster usually than the rest of my body is. Take s tiem especially for my brain to catch up.
I tell ya though you gott a watch what ya wish for . Had seen oodle s of pics of folsk cute chimpmuncks and said oh I want a chippie! Well my wish was answered. Not onyl do i have one chippy, but discovere d the other day have two and tons of hole sin the backyard from them.
Watche d as one trie d to find a hickory nut big enough to stuff in hois mouth and take it back to the den and the other one playe d peek-a boo with me by the hostas for awhile. I kept lookign at it thinking oh you such a cut e lookign little thing and it would peek out at me givign me the eyeball saying stupid human get goen so I cna grab some seeds and chow down.
I got a feelign this next year gonan have mroe critter s than I can deal with. Thre emroe familie s roudn have just abotu taken all their wood s out. That leave s mainly my yard for them to find food and shelter. As logn as they don't hurt myplants and Daylilie s and giv eme broken ankle s with there diggig thy can stay but soona s they becoem a problem. They gott a go to somebody els e yard . Will gladly pack them a back pack fileld with goodie s and send them on their way.
__________________ Ella
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Good-lookin' fella, your son is! You must be very proud.
Forums can wait, Ella, time with your son can not! I am glad you spent time with him.
Our children are precious. No matter how old they are, they are still our young-uns'.
My best to you and your son.
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Rebecca Benefactor


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Ella,
So glad you got to have a visit with your boy before he shipped out.! And than you for sharing him with us - handsome, indeed!
Rebecca
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