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This year many of my earliest blooms are very disappointing. These are seedlings that bloomed first last year and I hoped would improve with age. They didn't.

12" scape, 2" bloom no branching & 4 buds.

Great near-black color, but the bloom won't open fully and branching and bud count are low. 

Edited by Green1 - 13 May 2012 at 12:06pm

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Green1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Jackson, TN Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Green1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Disapointments Posted: 13 May 2012 at 4:35am
	This year many of my earliest blooms are very disappointing. These are seedlings that bloomed first last year and I hoped would improve with age. They didn't. 12" scape, 2" bloom no branching & 4 buds. Great near-black color, but the bloom won't open fully and branching and bud count are low. Edited by Green1 - 13 May 2012 at 12:06pm
	Dennis

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Green1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Jackson, TN Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Green1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 4:51am
	Here is Canadian Border Patrol seedling that just will not open right. Edited by Green1 - 13 May 2012 at 12:06pm
	Dennis

PeggyinFleming Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Location: Fleming, OH Status: Offline Points: 39	Post Options Post Reply Quote PeggyinFleming Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 11:16am
	Dennis, that's a shame for the black one 'cause that's a good black. I hate to see blooms that don't open fully. Happens a lot here with cool mornings, but cool mornings are the norm here, so I have to think twice before using them.
	Peggy Pritchard Fleming, OH z6

Green1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Jackson, TN Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Green1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 May 2012 at 4:44am
	This seedling has only one bud on an 8" scape, but the bud is 4" long. Looks like it will be a spider
	Dennis

Becca47 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Becca47 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 May 2012 at 6:56pm
	Dennis, Be patient! Some seedlings, especially brand new maiden bloomers need time to get their acts together so don't be too quick to judge them, and esp so for spider and UF, they seem to need additional time plus, keep in mind the weather. So many environmental quirks can cause issues with new seedlings opening properly. So relax! Enjoy the fact that you have seedlings actually blooming, even if they aren't quite right. Remember you were not born knowing how to walk, heck you couldn't even sit up until months later! All "babies" grow up! Keep pluggin away! Rebecca
	Becca's Daylilies and Hippies Lebanon, IN Zone 5a

Green1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Jackson, TN Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Green1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2012 at 1:03pm
	The "One Shot Wonder" shown above opened today. Bloom at 7 am: Bloom at 2:30 pm:
	Dennis

Becca47 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Becca47 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2012 at 2:56pm
	Dennis, Patience, grasshopper! First bloom ever seedling? Remember we have had some less than normal weather and weather patterns and that can trow plants off and especially seedlings that may mature too quickly due to warmer temps and other unusual environmental factors. Give it another year in it's present location then move it. It that doesn't bring about significant improvement, then it will be time to re-think the cross and move the plant to some out of the way spot where it can just grow and do it's thing. Daylilies are good for erosion control if nothing else. Rebecca
	Becca's Daylilies and Hippies Lebanon, IN Zone 5a

clumboy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 10 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote clumboy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2012 at 12:38am
	I echo what becca said. don't be too disappointed. budcount and branching can take a few years to develop. if you see bracts on the scapes that is a hopeful sign. as for the poor opening--just keep watching. does this improve as the season progresses? oftentimes that happens. have thrips been exceptionally bad this year--have you had a lot of strange cold snaps, how much total sunlight are the babies getting and is it cool morning sun or hot afternoon sun or both--what has your rainfall been like. consider things like that. at this point with young seedlings i look for things like overall shape and appearance of the plant, rate of increase, susceptibility to leaf streak, rot, thrips--all the bad stuff--leaf color (bluer is better), number of scapes relative to the number of fans. the flowers are the fun part but its still a bit early to tell about them. if you are new to this, look at your babies as a learning curve rather than a finished product. this is the most enjoyable and most instructive time as a hybridizer--the first few years will teach you so much. take pictures and keep records and observe carefully. you will be amazed in a few years time how much you have picked up by watching these new babies. i seem to remember judy ann saying that steve moldovan kept seedlings around for 5 years to evaluate them. chris

Green1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Jackson, TN Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Green1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2012 at 3:30pm
	This second year seedling just can't seem to get it right. If it gets its act together it might be something to work with. It is a large bloom with heavy substance. This is one of many blooms that have been opening with difficulty. Earlier I thought it was the cool nights. These blooms have all been after nights in the high 60's.
	Dennis

Becca47 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Becca47 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2012 at 4:24pm
	Dennis, You actually are on the right path to figuring out the reason for poor performance so far this year, the weather. Winter was "unusual" to say the least then spring temperatures were very unstable with many ups and downs and then inconsistent rainfall coupled with humidity (or the lack thereof). I firmly believe that weather plays a major role in daylily performance, even the weather during the plants dormancy. Remember, if the ground isn't frozen the roots are "working". I am having a very disappointing first year after plants have been moved into a new bed and even more dismal for the plants moved this spring - no rain for weeks and then hotter than normal temperatures. I carried water the other day, but it sure didn't do a lot. uploads/18/FieldBed_Desperate.jpg Some plants were pit in the ground pot and all so they could get a head start on a better root system, even some of them are not happy plants. We are finally getting rain today and I hope into the weekend AND with cooler temperatures too, I just hope it is in time! I still have 21 to 28 plants to be moved! And seedlings I am trying to grow from saved seeds (4 and 5 yrs old!). So again I tell you, be patient, give your seedling time to adjust to these new growing conditions and if they can't adjust, go with those that can. Rebecca Edited by Becca47 - 31 May 2012 at 4:33pm
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